>> well, because it's not, i mean, it's not like a magic spell that robs us of all agency, of all volition, and all complexity. i mean, i think, again, that as a country, we're a little bit to the place now where we can see ourselves electing a black president. on the other hand, as a country, i don't think we're in the place to talk about race at a collective level. if somebody even mentions race or if an article is about race, have you ever read the comments beneath any articles in the newspapers online when folks are talking about race? it's kind of nuts, man. and i think that for me the idea is that we can think about it complexly. we can think that, yes, we've gotten to the place where we can elect obama. but we're also at the place where if anybody mentions race or somebody brings up white supremacy they'll also be attacked. >> by? >> by whoever wakes up that day and reads that article and says, "hey, that really bothers me. and i'm going to write in a comment saying, 'you know what? this isn't about race. this is about class.' or write a comment and say, 'whites are the great minori